Arun - Desireless, you are enlightened. With desire. you go on moving in a circle of misery.
Me - Desireless is when one has no felt needs. Without felt need there is no basis for belief. Without belief, there is no faith. Without faith, nothing really matters......One view of enlightenment!!
With desires, you go on moving in a circle of misery when, there is no constancy in desires. As desire moves, attainment too keeps shifting out of reach....How much is enough!
Arun - Belief and faith have no interdependence. The former is imposed upon you by virtue of your family, religion etc. Faith develops by virtue of realising the genuineness of the subject. One is passive, the other is active. Belief is in a system, while you can have faith in an individual. Both of them have no dependence on felt needs, that's my view.
Me - Subscribing to a belief system is a matter of choice. The decision variable is a felt need. Can there be any other basis for choice. That choice to believe or not becomes the basis for instilling faith in you.
Theism makes you believe in God. Atheism makes you believe in oneself and agnostics just don't believe in believing!
Felt need > Belief > Faith?
Me - When one is the judge, jury and executioner on one's own problems, one either ends up dead or, keeps commuting the sentence to the same life. And the circle of misery never ends!!
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